A recent site visitor comment on a WWDB article:
I will at least give you my first name. I had this EXACT experience. I was a sucker, believed I could do this. At one point had 2 1500PV downlines, and when I cancelled my standing order, because I could listen to the previous 100 CDs over and over and get the same info, I was shunned, not supported, and after spending good money that I really was stupid enough waste going to out of town functions, am now declaring bankruptcy. This was back in 1999-2001 in the glory days of quixtar, but the tactics are the same, the only way you will make money is to produce your own CD and force it on your downlines! Not sillyness! Completely TRUE!
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011
Amway, WWDB & Dreams?
I have been in touch with an IBO who is in WWDB. Apparently dream building is a big part of WWDB. While it is good to have goals and dreams, I find it somewhat interesting to know that only a select few people in WWDB ever reached these goals and dreams because of their involvement with WWDB and Amway. In fact, despite claims by our upline that WWDB was the "best" and more profitable LOS, there is little or no evidence that this is true. I have not seen many new diamonds emerge from WWDB, but on the contrary, I have seen evidence of WWDB diamonds having their homes foreclosed and/or involvement with bankruptucy. Somme WWDB leaders who taught that WWDB saves marriages got divorced. Ain't that a kick in the shin?
In my opinion, this dream building approach is simply a tactic to get a prospect interested in the opportunity and then the upline will tell the prospect that the way to achieve these dreams is to be dedicated to the system (WWDB). This is the same system that has few new diamonds and diamonds in apparent financial difficulty. These dreams may also help to retain some IBOs in the system as it would seem that quitting Amway and WWDB means these dreams are no longer attainable.
If you are an information seeker or a struggling IBO, a question you may want to consider is whether your dedication to Amway and WWDB progressing you towards these stated dream or if you are simply channeling your money into products and training materials which helps achieve other people's dreams?
Below is an excerpt from a WWDB IBO about dreambuilding:
So that’s why we have pictures and words of affirmation around our house. When you come into our condo you’ll see words like “Overcome”, “do the opposite of the masses”, “The best is yet to come”, “Play Injured”, “Are you living a dream, or just living your life”, “Break through the wall of fear”, “We' re all in” and more. We believe these things motivate us and give us a dream. Then you’ll see stuff on our fridge like pictures of Kelowna where we want to live, Wineries, because we love wine, in my office you’ll see a picture of a Breitling Chronomat B01 watch because that’s the watch I want, you’ll see magazines with inspirational things in them that relate to us. It’s these things that keep our dreams alive.
It’s so important to do this whether you are building this business or not. This what i’m writing about is part of the 95% of what we do with World Wide Dreambuilders. The 5%, the Amway Global portion is the vehicle for the 95%. You need a dream, goals and passion so that you have something to work towards.
We’ve got BIG dreams, and so should you!
In my opinion, this dream building approach is simply a tactic to get a prospect interested in the opportunity and then the upline will tell the prospect that the way to achieve these dreams is to be dedicated to the system (WWDB). This is the same system that has few new diamonds and diamonds in apparent financial difficulty. These dreams may also help to retain some IBOs in the system as it would seem that quitting Amway and WWDB means these dreams are no longer attainable.
If you are an information seeker or a struggling IBO, a question you may want to consider is whether your dedication to Amway and WWDB progressing you towards these stated dream or if you are simply channeling your money into products and training materials which helps achieve other people's dreams?
Below is an excerpt from a WWDB IBO about dreambuilding:
So that’s why we have pictures and words of affirmation around our house. When you come into our condo you’ll see words like “Overcome”, “do the opposite of the masses”, “The best is yet to come”, “Play Injured”, “Are you living a dream, or just living your life”, “Break through the wall of fear”, “We' re all in” and more. We believe these things motivate us and give us a dream. Then you’ll see stuff on our fridge like pictures of Kelowna where we want to live, Wineries, because we love wine, in my office you’ll see a picture of a Breitling Chronomat B01 watch because that’s the watch I want, you’ll see magazines with inspirational things in them that relate to us. It’s these things that keep our dreams alive.
It’s so important to do this whether you are building this business or not. This what i’m writing about is part of the 95% of what we do with World Wide Dreambuilders. The 5%, the Amway Global portion is the vehicle for the 95%. You need a dream, goals and passion so that you have something to work towards.
We’ve got BIG dreams, and so should you!
Tuesday, November 8, 2011
WWDB IBOs Exaggerate? Or Lie?
Read this blogpost by a WWDB IBO. I can see the flaw in what is being said. Can you?
http://expeditionoftruths.com/2010/06/22/cost-of-business/
So I was thinking this past weekend, as we were booking our flights to Portland for this year’s Family Reunion, the costs to run our business. Now being a sceptical person I keep records for every single expense related to our business and keep a running total to make sure that we are actually making money over what we spend to run our business. I do not include the products we buy because 95% of the products we buy are products that we already bought before. Examples, Multi-Vitamin, Protein Bars, Granola Bars, Water, Energy Drinks, Cleaning products, etc.. That’s all stuff we bought and as a business owner you shop from your own store.
So going back to our hard business costs such as our voicemail system, our digital audio files, books, any business related marketing tools, conferences that we attend, local functions that we go to… ALL of that are for the most parts the cost of doing business. I may break it down at the end of the year but probably not because our costs of doing business will differ from other people’s because not everyone uses all the tools and people build different business’s. However the best thing about all of that, 100% tax write offs. We did our taxes last year and were able to write off every thing that was related to our business. That even includes any samples we gave and KM’s we drove to any meetings that we had. We basically got a cheque back from the government and that cheque covered ALL our costs. So those who say “the tools are a scam”, well I don’t know what to tell you but as a cost of business they were covered by my cheque back from the government.
However having said all of that what business do you know doesn’t cost money to run? Last time I checked it costs traditional business’s like McDonalds, Shoppers Drug Mart, Banana Republic, Gap, etc… TEN of THOUSANDS of dollars a month to operate. They also have employees to manage and pay, lease payments for a building, and a whole whack of other expenses to pay out. We have roughly a FEW thousand dollars to run and 1000% less headache to worry about. Based on that it just makes sense and honestly how can you argue that. I’m sure you’ll try, however this is my own experience and what we are doing. What others do or claim to have done may or may not be what was recommended or advised and if you read it, take it with a grain of salt.
So to wrap it up, does this business cost money to run? Absolutely! Do you get to write it off on taxes? YES. I did it, I got the cheque! Next year when I file, I’ll post the cheque as proof for the seeing is believing folk out there. All business’s cost money to run, just depends on what kind of business your in
Shaun's comment and clarification:
"They didn’t give me a cheque specifically for my business related materials. I get to deduct my business related expenses against my taxable income like you said. I did our regular job taxes first and after that I wasn’t really getting a refund. However after I started to add in all our business related expenses that’s where our refund came which pretty much covered our business expenses for the 7 months we were in business last year"
http://expeditionoftruths.com/2010/06/22/cost-of-business/
So I was thinking this past weekend, as we were booking our flights to Portland for this year’s Family Reunion, the costs to run our business. Now being a sceptical person I keep records for every single expense related to our business and keep a running total to make sure that we are actually making money over what we spend to run our business. I do not include the products we buy because 95% of the products we buy are products that we already bought before. Examples, Multi-Vitamin, Protein Bars, Granola Bars, Water, Energy Drinks, Cleaning products, etc.. That’s all stuff we bought and as a business owner you shop from your own store.
So going back to our hard business costs such as our voicemail system, our digital audio files, books, any business related marketing tools, conferences that we attend, local functions that we go to… ALL of that are for the most parts the cost of doing business. I may break it down at the end of the year but probably not because our costs of doing business will differ from other people’s because not everyone uses all the tools and people build different business’s. However the best thing about all of that, 100% tax write offs. We did our taxes last year and were able to write off every thing that was related to our business. That even includes any samples we gave and KM’s we drove to any meetings that we had. We basically got a cheque back from the government and that cheque covered ALL our costs. So those who say “the tools are a scam”, well I don’t know what to tell you but as a cost of business they were covered by my cheque back from the government.
However having said all of that what business do you know doesn’t cost money to run? Last time I checked it costs traditional business’s like McDonalds, Shoppers Drug Mart, Banana Republic, Gap, etc… TEN of THOUSANDS of dollars a month to operate. They also have employees to manage and pay, lease payments for a building, and a whole whack of other expenses to pay out. We have roughly a FEW thousand dollars to run and 1000% less headache to worry about. Based on that it just makes sense and honestly how can you argue that. I’m sure you’ll try, however this is my own experience and what we are doing. What others do or claim to have done may or may not be what was recommended or advised and if you read it, take it with a grain of salt.
So to wrap it up, does this business cost money to run? Absolutely! Do you get to write it off on taxes? YES. I did it, I got the cheque! Next year when I file, I’ll post the cheque as proof for the seeing is believing folk out there. All business’s cost money to run, just depends on what kind of business your in
Shaun's comment and clarification:
"They didn’t give me a cheque specifically for my business related materials. I get to deduct my business related expenses against my taxable income like you said. I did our regular job taxes first and after that I wasn’t really getting a refund. However after I started to add in all our business related expenses that’s where our refund came which pretty much covered our business expenses for the 7 months we were in business last year"
Monday, November 7, 2011
Make $80,000 In WWDB/Amway?
An email I received from a WWDB IBO:
Hey, thanks for the reply, I would be happy to tell you what i do, and who i work for.
I am what you call an IBO or independent business owner, its a franchise you can buy in for only 60.00 dollars. Basically the key to making money and plenty of it is to recruit other people to sign up and start their own business. With starting your own business you sell Amway's products, and they have everything, so its not hard for anybody to find something they like, also Amway has 30 partner companies such as: Circuit City, PacSun, Nascar etc.
Sure, to start your own business you sign up with Amway.com. WWDB or World Wide Group is a company that provides you your website plus learning and training materials to make sure you become successful in the business. They pretty much hold your hand until you become successful. As far as what i have accomplished in owning my own business i have only had my business for 1 month now and am very happy with it. My mentor or upline, the guy that sponsored me into getting my own business started is my girlfriends father, and he is very successful in the business, which is why i joined, if i told you how much he made a year you wouldnt believe me.
The plan that World Wide group puts you on is mapped out to make you earn 80,000 dollars your first year, which means you would become a platinum member, it goes all the way up to diamond members which make in the six figure incomes
World Wide is not free, but it pays for itself because you will see customers sign up to your website to buy products, you will sell to your family, friends etc., plus if your like me you will try to sign as many people up in your first month as you can, so no, world wide isnt free, but it will pay for itself.
Yeah I’m still in it, i probably work with it about 8-10 hours a week. No, I’m not on pace to make $80,000 in a year, but it’s my own fault, I did not work hard enough. One good thing though, I know I am a better person and getting a check every month helps, even if it’s a small one.
Hey, thanks for the reply, I would be happy to tell you what i do, and who i work for.
I am what you call an IBO or independent business owner, its a franchise you can buy in for only 60.00 dollars. Basically the key to making money and plenty of it is to recruit other people to sign up and start their own business. With starting your own business you sell Amway's products, and they have everything, so its not hard for anybody to find something they like, also Amway has 30 partner companies such as: Circuit City, PacSun, Nascar etc.
Sure, to start your own business you sign up with Amway.com. WWDB or World Wide Group is a company that provides you your website plus learning and training materials to make sure you become successful in the business. They pretty much hold your hand until you become successful. As far as what i have accomplished in owning my own business i have only had my business for 1 month now and am very happy with it. My mentor or upline, the guy that sponsored me into getting my own business started is my girlfriends father, and he is very successful in the business, which is why i joined, if i told you how much he made a year you wouldnt believe me.
The plan that World Wide group puts you on is mapped out to make you earn 80,000 dollars your first year, which means you would become a platinum member, it goes all the way up to diamond members which make in the six figure incomes
World Wide is not free, but it pays for itself because you will see customers sign up to your website to buy products, you will sell to your family, friends etc., plus if your like me you will try to sign as many people up in your first month as you can, so no, world wide isnt free, but it will pay for itself.
Yeah I’m still in it, i probably work with it about 8-10 hours a week. No, I’m not on pace to make $80,000 in a year, but it’s my own fault, I did not work hard enough. One good thing though, I know I am a better person and getting a check every month helps, even if it’s a small one.
Thursday, October 6, 2011
WWDB - Tapes Are Vital To Your Success!
But worthless in the real world?
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/zip/2626626721.html
Free Amway WWDB tapes (Richmond)
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Lots and lots of old Amway WWDB cassette tapes from 10+ years ago. If you want them, you can have them. You probably can't buy most of these seminars anymore.
I'll even throw in some cassette storage cases if you want them.
http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/zip/2626626721.html
Free Amway WWDB tapes (Richmond)
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Date: 2011-10-01, 1:12AM PDT
Reply to: sale-ndvzs-2626626721@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
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Lots and lots of old Amway WWDB cassette tapes from 10+ years ago. If you want them, you can have them. You probably can't buy most of these seminars anymore.
I'll even throw in some cassette storage cases if you want them.
Monday, August 29, 2011
Your Brain On WWDB?
Comment by a WWDB IBO:
WWDB IBO says:
August 26, 2011 at 12:03 pm
It’s interesting to see what those “less informed” really know about the business and how WWDB is not the same as some organizations that do make more money off the system than they do from the product side of the business. After twelve years in the business, I know for a fact that all the money I’ve ever made in that period of time (6 years between Platinum & Ruby averaging $70k/yr) that 90% of my money came from Amway. So, with 10% being from WWDB, which is available to anyone who build the same size business, the “tool bonus” is marginal and basically covers gas and other expenses of simply building the biz.
There is no doubt that books, CDs, functions are all about personal development and shouldn’t be treated any different than going to school. Do people get on line and bitch about the cost of book, tuition and how much the professors are getting paid? Give me a break! At least if you build the business correctly, you will make money and you get the legal tax write-offs of a business. I can easily say that I now make 5 times the income today than I used to make prior to the business and give a majority of the credit to the willingness to learn, develop and change my way of thinking, along with now having a much better self image.
So, does college guarantee you financial success? Does everyone who goes to college make $100k when getting out? Do people bash colleges for having $100k+ in school loans and only make $25k a year at their jobs? All of these questions have to do with the person and what they are willing to do to succeed, whether it be a job or ANY type of business. There are winners and whiners. Steve Jobs makes a bunch of money from Apple, but how many Apple employees complain about how much he makes, how much it costs them to drive to work, the time they put in, any new training they must do, etc., etc.
I’ve been to the houses of many Diamonds and they do have nice places and things. Bottom line is that they are still people and they do have a life outside of what they do on stage. How many people do you know are exactly the same at work as they are at the bar on Friday night? All any of us can try to do is be a good person, try to make a positive impact (if you desire to, which is what most leaders in WWDB have done no matter what is going on in their personal life) and to keep working to become a better person and prosper for the sake of your family.
They never said that the business is Eutopia, but it has more positive aspects than negative and you can make more money and become a better person….the only problem is that it’s a matter of choice. Winners are too busy living life and making things happen. Whiners like to get online and complain about things without any time or energy going toward something productive. Just my 2 cents. I wish everyone the best and that you get what you want in life.
WWDB IBO says:
August 26, 2011 at 12:03 pm
It’s interesting to see what those “less informed” really know about the business and how WWDB is not the same as some organizations that do make more money off the system than they do from the product side of the business. After twelve years in the business, I know for a fact that all the money I’ve ever made in that period of time (6 years between Platinum & Ruby averaging $70k/yr) that 90% of my money came from Amway. So, with 10% being from WWDB, which is available to anyone who build the same size business, the “tool bonus” is marginal and basically covers gas and other expenses of simply building the biz.
There is no doubt that books, CDs, functions are all about personal development and shouldn’t be treated any different than going to school. Do people get on line and bitch about the cost of book, tuition and how much the professors are getting paid? Give me a break! At least if you build the business correctly, you will make money and you get the legal tax write-offs of a business. I can easily say that I now make 5 times the income today than I used to make prior to the business and give a majority of the credit to the willingness to learn, develop and change my way of thinking, along with now having a much better self image.
So, does college guarantee you financial success? Does everyone who goes to college make $100k when getting out? Do people bash colleges for having $100k+ in school loans and only make $25k a year at their jobs? All of these questions have to do with the person and what they are willing to do to succeed, whether it be a job or ANY type of business. There are winners and whiners. Steve Jobs makes a bunch of money from Apple, but how many Apple employees complain about how much he makes, how much it costs them to drive to work, the time they put in, any new training they must do, etc., etc.
I’ve been to the houses of many Diamonds and they do have nice places and things. Bottom line is that they are still people and they do have a life outside of what they do on stage. How many people do you know are exactly the same at work as they are at the bar on Friday night? All any of us can try to do is be a good person, try to make a positive impact (if you desire to, which is what most leaders in WWDB have done no matter what is going on in their personal life) and to keep working to become a better person and prosper for the sake of your family.
They never said that the business is Eutopia, but it has more positive aspects than negative and you can make more money and become a better person….the only problem is that it’s a matter of choice. Winners are too busy living life and making things happen. Whiners like to get online and complain about things without any time or energy going toward something productive. Just my 2 cents. I wish everyone the best and that you get what you want in life.
Monday, August 15, 2011
More WWDB Commentary?
Kevin says:
July 10, 2010 at 11:19 pm
I was in worldwide some years ago. These mentors said WWDB was the most profitable and fastest growing line in all of Amway. Either they were lying or dead wrong. Looking back, here’s some of the junk I was told. Buy from yourself at full retail and the “profit” will pay for your functions. In reality, your own bank account is paying for the functions. I heard Greg Duncan talk about how stupid people were if they took out loans because the banks made their living off stupid people. Diamonds pay cash for everything we were told. That makes Greg a liar or at best, a hypocrite. We were also led to believe that Greg was a bazillionaire. Sure a million bucks a year is great, but for a triple dipple ripple diamond, somehow it’s not what the audience thought. I remember Greg talking about how because of what he’s done, his future generations of family won’t have to work. His kids and sons/daughters in law will just work for him and he’ll pay them at least twice of their best job offer. I can’t say I feel that sorry for him after our group was told that Greg has to “dumb down” his speeches so the audience can understand his points.
You can fool some people all the time, but you cannot fool alll the people all the time. Greg has been exposed as a fraud. He is not the financial genious he was made out to be. I hope all of his group finds out about this.
July 10, 2010 at 11:19 pm
I was in worldwide some years ago. These mentors said WWDB was the most profitable and fastest growing line in all of Amway. Either they were lying or dead wrong. Looking back, here’s some of the junk I was told. Buy from yourself at full retail and the “profit” will pay for your functions. In reality, your own bank account is paying for the functions. I heard Greg Duncan talk about how stupid people were if they took out loans because the banks made their living off stupid people. Diamonds pay cash for everything we were told. That makes Greg a liar or at best, a hypocrite. We were also led to believe that Greg was a bazillionaire. Sure a million bucks a year is great, but for a triple dipple ripple diamond, somehow it’s not what the audience thought. I remember Greg talking about how because of what he’s done, his future generations of family won’t have to work. His kids and sons/daughters in law will just work for him and he’ll pay them at least twice of their best job offer. I can’t say I feel that sorry for him after our group was told that Greg has to “dumb down” his speeches so the audience can understand his points.
You can fool some people all the time, but you cannot fool alll the people all the time. Greg has been exposed as a fraud. He is not the financial genious he was made out to be. I hope all of his group finds out about this.
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