One thing I recall being taught by some WWDB leaders was that there was no selling of products required. You could ask a prospect if they liked selling, and if they said no, you could say "great, this business is perfect for you". If they said they enjoyed selling stuff, you would also say "great, this business is perfect for you". I would guess that most people do not enjoy selling things, and if you add in the high prices of products and a spotty Amway reputation, then it makes it that much more difficult to move products to non IBO customers. For this reason, many IBOs simply "buy from themselves" with little regard to finding actual customers.
Some WWDB leaders exclusively taught the philosophy of buying from yourself. That way you are moving volume but you don't have to get uncomfortable enough to go out and sell stuff. You just use your own goods each month and try to sponsor people who also want to buy from themselves and get others to do the same. I believe this method of business may be borderline on illegal so it would likely be taught in smaller settings rather than on a major function stage. That way the upline can claim plausible deniability and state that the downline must have misunderstood what they were taught.
Oddly enough, if you stop and think about this for a minute, in what business can anyone earn a nice living without selling a product or service? The answer is there are none, but some uplines trick their downline into thinking they can earn financial freedom from self consumption. I once asked my sponsor how Amway tracked our customer sales to determine who qualified for a bonus and my sponsor said not to worry about it since no one bothered to check. Imagine that? While the upline might mention sales as a means of remaining in good legal standing, but the reality was a different story. And it makes sense. To the upline diamond, whether you bought or sold 100 PV makes no difference to them. They get credit for your volume whether you bought or sold it.
While there are some IBOs who do sell some goods, I would think that anyone with significant products sales is a rare individual indeed. Looking back, many of my sales were to those who were probably more sympathetic to my cause than a genuine want or need for Amway products. This can be confirmed by the apparent relatively few ex IBOs who continue to buy Amway goods. If ex IBO sales were common, then Amway sales would coninue to skyrocket even if IBOs were dropping like flies. But Amway sales have been tanking since 2013. Their sales peaked at 11.8 billion and has decreased each year since, coming in at 8.6 billion in 2017.
If your upline teaches buy from yourself, no sales required, run fast in the opposite direction.
There is no business where there are no sales at all of products or services. This is simple, plain reality.
ReplyDeleteYou could run a charity, where you give away products and services, but that isn't a business.
You could be a mendicant guru, where you teach people religious truths for free, but that isn't a business.
You could raise and protect and educate your children for free, but that's love. It's not a business.
The Amway idea that you can get rich by not providing any goods or services to customers is utterly asinine.
I was taught this. Be your best customer. Even if I had not customers I was too purchase from myself upwards to $900/month. My upline demanded I meet what he called a standard of excellence which is 300PV or $900/month. If I was short I was getting a call before the end of the month and told "go buy samples" "by extra bars" whatever it took. I was also told once I hit Double Eagle Ruby I wasn't expected to buy as much because Downline would pick up the slack
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ReplyDeleteThinking that you can be profitable in a business without selling products or providing a service is like thinking that you can stay healthy by not eating.
ReplyDeleteSome years back, an Amway asshole came here to defend the racket, saying "This is a business opportunity ABOUT business opportunities!" He thought that this absurdity made sense. In fact, it only proves that Amway is about the endless recruitment of new IBOs by lying to them about "a business opportunity."
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If Amway products were offered for sale on store shelves, they would blown out of the water by their competitors. Nobody really wants the stuff.
ReplyDeleteThat's the real reason why Amway has to run this absurd and complex MLM scheme.
This is how it was pitched to us, also. I was told that I would earn PV on all my current expenditures outside rent (credit card purchases and affiliate links now earn PV as well).
ReplyDeleteBefore becoming an IBO, I didn’t take expensive daily vitamins. I didn’t eat protein bars. Switching to Amway products was hard and expensive because the things I already used (dish soap, makeup, laundry detergent, etc) didn’t need to be purchased every month. On necessities, I never made enough PV. The credit card and affiliates barely made a difference.
We once purchased some stock for a “grand opening” and I literally still have 8 bottles of multipurpose cleaner today in my cabinet. That was 6 years ago.
Sales are nearly impossible. The products aren’t quality or even safe per the EWG (most get a D rating for safety- I would never use SA8 laundry detergent on my child’s clothes). We were required to report sales on the website each month, but were encouraged by our upline to lie. And we did, most the time.