Wednesday, March 23, 2011

WWDB Advice?

We have had some really good discussion on this blog recently about how someone can build a business in Amway without abusing downline. I was an IBO in WWDB, and I was given really bad advice from upline. These uplines are still around and apparently still giving some of the same bad advice to downline. Having said that, I believe there are some factions within WWDB who may be operating differently. I contributor on this blog, James C. has explained in some of his comments, how he operates, contrary to the mainstream WWDB teachings. Thus I was inspired to write this post.

My sponsor and uplines were Harimoto, Wolgamott, Duncan. We were taught that Amway saves marriages, and that the rest of the world gets divorced. Ironically, I believe Wolgamott is now seperated and possibly divorced or in the process of getting divorced. Greg Duncan was touted for his financial acumen and told the audience that only stupid people took out loans, even to purchase a home. Then we find out he was in bankruptcy proceedings with interest only loans. This is just a side bar. I will further explain what other advice was given to rank and file IBOs.

My sponsor and uplines told us that we should never miss a meeting. Period. That missing a meeting was setting a bad example for your group. In fact we should always purchase extra tickets to meetings and functions as an incentive to bring guests. We were taught that in addition to standing order, we should be purchasing 5-7 extra tapes/cds each week. Afterall, you can't listen to the same recording each day if you are core. We were told that if you had downlline who quit, you could not cancel a standing order because it was too much trouble to call upline who called upline who finally reached Greg Duncan to cancel a standing order. I found it ironic that they NEVER complained about calling upline who called upline who finally reached Greg Duncan to ADD a standing order. Our group was also told that nobody made a cent of profit from the tools. A lie that nobody has ever been accountable for to this day. If selling products were ever mentioned, it was only so IBOs could earn money to buy more function tickets and/or standing orders.

Our upline also enjoyed holding meeting after meeting, AFTER the functions. Thus IBOs went home after 3:00 in the morning at times, even on nights when the job was waiting for them the next morning. Our upline also taught more tenured IBOs that money wasn't important in the business because we are friends for life. The group was taught that we could have our families skip meals in order to buy more tapes/cds. IBOs were told that they should NEVER quit, unless they give up on life as they would be doomed for financial failure.

This is some of the bad advice I heard from some WWDB leaders. These leaders are still around today and I believe some of this is still taught. What does your upline advise?


  1. Devastating stuff, Joe.

    Infuriating, flabbergasting, pick your adjective, that the same Wordwide Dreambuilders "leaders", AHEM, are still spouting the same garbage, still "leading" suckers (like I was) down the primrose path, and with arrogance and impunity. What a crock that supposed "Christian" people like Dave Severn, Ron Puryear, and "the Brads" laid on us. I want to weep on occasion, thinking of the time and treasure I spent with this worldly foolishness.

    OK - venting over.


  2. I keep hearing Amway defenders say things are now different but then I see some current WWDB IBOs spouting the same crap I heard 13 years ago.

  3. Wow. I can see why you made this blog now. I feel for you man.

    As a new Amway IBO, I had a hard time believing many of the things you posted on this blog about "predatory uplines." The people I work with do business the right way, acknowledging openly that this opportunity doesn't work for everyone and accepting people for that. My sponsor actually has the average monthly income (105$) for active IBOs posted prominently on his recruitment website.

    After hearing this story though and reading more into it, I realized that these shady practices are much more common than I thought. And undoubtedly, these assholes should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    The problem, I think, with Amway's business strategy is not that it scams people. Amway itself has a respectable reputation. The problem is that it gives enormous freedom to its IBOs, opening the door for scam artists and predators to make their mark on the industry. Yes, Amway has to do a better job policing its workforce, but fault doesn't lie on a corrupt business scheme, it lies on corrupt people.

    At its heart, Amway's system of incentives has good intentions. Realistically, unless you're running a recruitment mill like these assholes at WWDB are, you only make serious money if the people you sponsor make money too. It's people like those you mentioned that ruin the opportunity for everyone.

    As I said, I'm a new IBO. Despite its drawbacks, I'm sticking with the business for the experience, but that doesn't mean I'm turning a blind eye to what's going on.

    Best of luck to you.

  4. Anonymous....are you still in the business?